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Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:05

 The niqab and burqa debate sparked off by Nicolas Sarkozy’s comments on Monday continues apace in today’s papers.

The Daily Express informs us that both Muslims and non – Muslims want Britain to ban the burqa. Their sources of authoritative commentary? Among others, the rabid neo-con Douglas Murray and Ghaffar Hussain of the Quilliam Foundation. What a surprise.

Murray tells the Express that a religious defence of the burkha is “completely bogus”, and that “there are parts [of the Qur’an] which speak of modesty but not this complete covering up. This idea that it is a religious requisite is only put forward by the extremists.”

But you see, those defending the rights of women to wear the burqa aren’t doing so on the basis of a religious edict, but a liberal one. How a woman interprets verses on modest dress is her business, and whether she opts for a headscarf, a niqab, a burqa, or none of the above, is her business and her business alone. In proscribing her ability to exercise such a right Murray is no different to the extremists who compel Muslim women to observe dress codes not of their choosing.

Ghaffar Hussain of the QF argues that “wearing a burkha does limit a woman, restricting her in the jobs she can do” although a later 'correction' on the Express website sought to clarify that QF were opposed to an outright ban.

And the Express helpfully reminds readers that ‘Turkey, a secular Muslim country, has banned headscarves in schools, universities and public offices.

‘Burkhas are outlawed in three Belgian towns, while seven out of Germany’s 16 states have banned headscarves.’

Of course, nothing mentioned here of the restrictions that these bans place on the employment opportunities of Muslim women who won’t stand to have their dress sense dictated to them by transient governments.

Hussein Al-Alak, of Iraq Solidarity UK, states:

They are certainly divisive. I know many women who have been forced to wear them under hardline regimes and they despise them. They symbolise the suppression of womanhood.

“But I would not be in favour of a law banning them. That would be reducing the Government to the same level as an extremist who orders his wife to wear one
.”

And Diana Nammi, of the Iranian and Kurdish Women’s Rights Organisation, says: “I fully support President Sarkozy. The burkha isolates women.”

And telling them what they can and cannot wear doesn’t, presumably?

Meanwhile, Agnès Poirier in The Times, writes on how ‘Britain could never debate the burka like France’.

She writes:

Republican principles of equality and secularism are so deeply grounded in the French mind that they belong as much to the Left as to the Right.’

And the Republic principle of liberty?!

For someone like me, firmly on the Left, the defence of secularism is the only way to guarantee cultural diversity and national cohesion.’

Which is by far a very bizarre claim. If secularism denotes the separation of church and state, of public and private spheres, where do we draw the line on what constitutes ‘private’ when the state is in a position to dictate dress codes? The only thing that would be guaranteed by Poirier’s ardent secularism would be the erosion of liberty and a homogeneous culture. So much for cultural diversity!

Poirier continues:

That such a debate is taking place again reveals the sturdy health of secularism in France, a tradition that doesn't shy away from being confrontational even in a country with the largest Muslim and Jewish communities in Europe.'

Shame the same cannot be said of the ‘sturdy health’ of liberty in France.

Poirier concludes, ‘critics of the French approach don't seem to understand that secularism is neutral - the State doesn't recognise any religion in particular but protects them all, guaranteeing cultural and religious diversity by ensuring that one faith does not get the upper hand.’

Which will certainly be news to the Reussite school, which is on the brink of closure because the Inspection Academique has refused to grant the school the same sort of financial aid currently enjoyed by Christian and Jewish faith schools in France.

And the Telegraph quotes the new Communities and Local Government Minister, Shahid Malik:

"It is not the job of government to dictate what people should or should not wear in our society – that is a matter of personal choice.

"There are no laws stating what clothes or attire are acceptable and so whether one chooses to wear a veil or burqa, a miniskirt or goth outfit is entirely at the individual's discretion.

"It is true that many Muslims feel the veil and its rationale are misunderstood and so sensible discussion provides an opportunity to create a better understanding and ultimately ensures we are more at ease with the diverse society within which we live
."

If comments in some of today’s papers are anything to go by, a ‘sensible discussion’ is far from likely.

Update: In the Daily Express today (25 June 2009) a 'spokesman' for the Quilliam Foundation is quoted as saying: "...the burkha is not an Islamic requirement [but] more of an identity statement..." This is patently false. Those women who choose to wear the burqa or niqab do so overwhelmingly for religious reasons, not as some idiotic 'identity statement'.

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Ismail   |2009-06-24 10:38:32
Loved the wit and one sentence answers.
Sack Blears  - No surprise from the Express   |2009-06-24 18:35:38
The Express has been running viciously anti-Muslim stories for some years now. It is clearly part of their agenda to whip up anti-Muslim hysteria.

No surprise either that the government-funded morons at the Quilliam Foundation are happy to give them quotes that further serve to demonise Muslim women who wear the burqa.
This is wrong   |2009-06-24 18:50:02
You should correct your information, Ghaffar Hussain said no such thing. Look at Quilliam's website (http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/), read the Spittoon (http://www.spittoon.org/) and hope you don't get sued.
Sack Blears  - This is right!   |2009-06-24 18:59:02
Why is 'This is wrong' protesting when Ghaffar Hussain's remarks are exactly as quoted on the Express website:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/109563/Ban-the-Burkha-here-in-Britain

Who does he think he is fooling?

QF have been only to willing to be used as stooges for a whole series of vicious Islamophobes including the Express, Michael Gove, Charles Moore, Nick Cohen - you name 'em.

Shame on them.

Their only supporters are the Zionists and munafiqin.
The Moderator  - Response     |2009-06-25 11:20:52
These guys are debating whether or not they should unclothe our women and what are we doing? - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING besides picking on one another and citing mistakes.

First and foremost, we should make clear the offence we take when non-muslims like the daily express decide to take it upon themselves and teach us parts of our own scripture??

They say 'nowhere in the Qur'an does it say anything to do with covering the face',

I challenge them and say 'nowhere in the Qur'an does it say to prayer 5 times Salaah, the method of Salaah, the method of Wudhu and so on and so forth'

Does that mean that after the Burqa debate is set aside, you will move on and capitalize on the next issue to redefine our faith with your menial understanding of the scripture. Who are they to use our Qur'an as a daleel against us? Since when did we allow these godless pigs to confront us and teach us our religion when they do not know of the origins and guidelines that govern their own existence?
Ronbo2571   |2009-06-26 18:13:01
Neither the state OR religious authorities should dictate what someone should or shouln't wear.
It's an item of clothing for heaven's sake!There really are better things to worry about such as the real oppression of minoritories in muslim countries or that the UK is the best place in the world for muslims or if one is a gay muslim you will be welcome in Israel but not in Gaza.
Food for thought eh?
I am puzzled Mr Moderator speaks of 'our women' a freudian slip surely,I mean only islamophobes think muslim males treat women as chattles?
Nabia   |2009-06-27 16:07:50
all muslims that ar concerned regarding "the ban on the burkha" FIRSTLY please text DXNO to 80088 to indicate a NO on the ban..get all your family and friends to do that as this vote is very vital..as it is a strickt NO.Jazakallah.
Groucho   |2009-06-28 06:43:41
The Moderator, you make a very weak argument.
1) There is ijma' on praying 5 times a day.
2) Salat is from the 'ibaadaat, wearing burqa is, at most, mu'aamalah.
Comparing the two is disingenuous at best.
umm yahya   |2009-06-28 16:35:57
The burqah/hijab is a womens choice...the whole thing about extremists are making women dress like that is a clear ignorant lie...me and my muslim sisters choose to wear it, it is our choice...just like those women who undress themselves it is there choice....

once again the media and the hypocrites out there hits islaam out of jealousy and hatred...

Allah says in the Qur'aan: “the Jews and the Christians will never be pleased with you until you follow their own Deen (Religion)” [2:120]
k j   |2009-06-28 17:19:36
'Ban the burka' ..... before imposing such law why not ask the muslim women who are wearing the burka how do they feel ? why not call a gathering of all muslimahs who are wearing the burka and ask them one by one why do they choose to do so . Then i challenge them that they will not find more than 1% who would say they wear it co's they are ordered to do so. 99% of these modestly dress women do it out of choice, to safeguard their chastity and be modest and most importantly to please and worship their lord Allah (SWT). The only reason they hate the burka is co's those women wearing it expose and put to shame women who are scantily dress and thus have every tom, dick and harry oggled and molest them as they go by. We muslim women are pearls and gems and are valuable and worthy and anything that is valuable are put underwrap...... take that sarkozy!
Soldier of Allah  - Freedom of Speech   |2009-06-28 19:52:21
IF I HAD THE CHANCE I WOULD RIP THOSE PEOPLES HEADS OFF THIER NECKS WHO WANT TO DE-GRADE MUSLIM WOMEN LIKE THEY HAVE DE-GRADED THIER OWN! You can never ban hijab, niqab, burkha, TRY IT M****r F*****s. You will live to regret it!
sam   |2009-06-28 20:12:30
I am a muslim woman who has chosen to wear a headscarf and I believe that no one should be forced into wearing one. But it shouldn't be right for the government or even the daily express to put a ban on the burqa. It is our choice and freedom to wear what we wish and no one should stop us. Wearing a burqa or headscarf does not hurt anyone, so why should the daily express make this such an issue?
Isma'il Mustafa   |2009-06-30 06:09:05
This is am outrage! I can’t believe Britain is letting its principles go. Britain is known worldwide for its fairness, its acceptance of faiths and how Britain lets people live THEIR lives without interfering. Why now? Next Nick Griffin will become PM. Britain should not try to control people and restrict them from practising their faiths. I am personally a practising Muslim, 14 (and I can think clearer than some adults), and my female members of the family do not wear the Burqa, there are different interpretations; if someone thinks they are being treated unfairly, they will convert. Let them call the shots, how does a Burqa threaten you, next beards and the Qur’an will be questioned, where is the end of this??? Why can’t we be left alone?
Mohammed  - Teacher   |2009-06-30 21:23:49
DO NOT BAN BURQA/NIQAB/HIJAB
JaY  - Observer     |2009-07-01 10:16:17
Muslim women who wear Burkha do so at the own will, well 99% of them. Banning it will take their freedom of choice.. So by banning it what point are you trying to make. If these women have problems getting jobs or socialising cos they wear burkhas its their problem not yours leave them choose how they live their lifes. This article is a propoganda to increase the hate towards muslims.
H K  - Patience   |2009-07-01 13:26:39
Salam, this is all a test from Allah, to see how strong we are in upholding our beliefs under oppression. Inshallah, this will make us stronger in our faiths. If you look at the time of the Prophet (pbuh) and see the adversity they faced, this is nothing in comparison. But, I feel that things will get harder for Muslims in the west, but that is the price we have to pay for living here. Please be patient brothers and sisters and continue to strive in the path of Allah.
abbey  - ban?   |2009-07-03 07:13:13
i came to Islam from living a western life, i chose to wear hijab (i'm no arab/ asian nor married to any arab/asian) and after decided to wear the niqab, after about a year i found my husband (who is not arab) and we now have a beautiful daughter. i cant imagine myself without niqab, my husband was scared for my safety and asked me to remove it when i am out alone but I REFUSED!!!! Islam is my religion and Allah is my Lord, and i as a "western woman" am happy with my way of life, maybe we (uk) should concentrate more on paedophilia and child abusers that way maybe we would not have psychos abusing 1 year olds in nursery. so people lets get over this, it's sad it really is when we have baby p's suffering all over our country- lets get our priorities straight!!!!! and read about islam, starting with the Quran and see for yourself what God says, don't knock it until you have tried it!!!!
Wasim Iqbal  - this is not right   |2009-07-03 08:42:24
Those who argue that niqab (face covering) is not from Islam are extremely ignorant, whether it is obligatory is a disagreement between the religious scholars however to cover ones hair, there is no disagreement over this matter . It is upon every Muslim women to cover her hair as well as the rest of her body. Furthermore I fail to see what is the problem with someone wishing to cover her face, I mean how many rights to animals have in this country? Furthermore how many rights to theives have when they enter into your house, so why is it that Muslim women should have to take of their niqabs? I mean it is a personal issue and never have I ever come accross muslim women forcing other muslim women or even non muslim women to have to wear niqab, its crazy!
Ahsan Hussain  - Similarities   |2009-07-03 09:00:44
To ban even one of those three, burqa, hijab or headscarf will invoke major problems, this is only happening because muslims are the new target of the world, if you want to ban these then why not ban the nuns scapula which is extreemly similer to the hijab and the nuns wimple and veil whcih is also extreemly like the muslim head scarf, im no extremeis my sisters chose on their own to wear a scarf and hijab i respect that one of my sisters dosent wear them at all i also respect that if the UK goverment even wants to take the ban into account the think about the other religeons not just muslims remeber equal rights.
Usman Hussain   |2009-07-03 09:09:47
"They are certainly divisive. I know many women who have been forced to wear them under hardline regimes and they despise them. They symbolise the suppression of womanhood"

That is so not true. The main reason that the burqa is put in place is to stop temptation. The main thing that can take a brother off the path of Islam is temptation. Women are the most tempting thing in the world. a person can get mesmerised by a woman’s beauty and that is why Muslim women should cover themselves. Not only is it for there own safety but it is for brothers as well.

“It is not the job of government to dictate what people should or should not wear in our society – that is a matter of personal choice.”

Fir you look at it from a personal rights point of view I agree with Shahid Malik. Why is it that a woman is not allowed to cover themselves but is allowed to flash there bodies to everyone in sight? Is that modest walking around in mini skirts and tops cut so low that the woman cleavage and breast are visible?

“In the Daily Express today (25 June 2009) a 'spokesman' for the Quilliam Foundation is quoted as saying: "...the burkha is not an Islamic requirement [but] more of an identity statement..."

The person who wrote is the most stupid person in the world and has basically insulted Islam down to the root. Our Prophet (PBUH) covered his wives to stop temptation from other people. This act prevented adultery and many other forms of indecencies.

Again I say. If the burqa gets banned then i think the Muslim Community should come together and ban the indecent clothes that woman parade around in all over the streets of the United Kingdom.

Not only is this a form of Islam phobia but it is yet another attack on our religion. People have nothing better to do then corrupt and destroy what they do not understand or do not like.
rubick   |2009-07-03 10:15:12
This is truly a pathetic attempt to ban something which does not degrade or infringe muslim womens rights. I simply wear the hijab because I believe that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah, hence all His laws are abided by the believer, like myself who practices Islam... only through seeking knowledge of Islam and understanding its true message will the ignorant learn.
Ummsulayman  - Why some Muslim women wear Niqaab     |2009-07-03 12:51:40
Allah swt says in surah an Nur;31 "...and to draw their himaar over their juyub" hence, the command of wearing the hijaab. This is explained further by our Prophet (saw) when he said, "A woman who has reached puberty should not show any part of her body (to non-Mahram men) except her face and hands"

Hence, we understand that a woman who has reached puberty has to cover her awrah in front of men who are non-mahrem (mahrem meaning close family like father, brother, sons, nephews are stated in surah Nur:31)
This is a Fardh obligation just like salah and fasting in Ramadhan.

As for the Burka or niqaab, some Muslim women have chosen to wear this to emulate the wives of the Prophet (saw) who were commanded to only speak to non-mahrem men from behind a veil Surah Al-Ahzab:53. Although Burka or niqaab is not a Fardh for general Muslim women but it is Mubah (permitted) and should never be BAN!!! They have done so for the sake of Allah swt and NOT for identity statement.
Anonymous   |2009-07-03 13:54:13
I alhamdulillah have been wearing hijaab and burkha for about 3years now and oppressed is far from something i feel, if anything i think wearing the burkha has helped build confidence with in myself and respect for my religion. islam is a peaceful religion, dont see why people try to make it out that every woman is oppressed and covers against her will. just shows how backwards the west are, if we cover we dont know how to think for ourselves?

If anything i think women who try to wear more revealing clothes and use there femininty to get somewhere in life are the ones who are opressed, wheres the self respect in that?

i dont understand how you can say wearing a bhurkha restricts you from working. i dont understand that. i work and wear the bhurkha with no problem, even my none muslim collegues respect me for weraing it. i mean why should they have an issue with it?

if a person chooses to cover thats no bussiness of anyone elses. i cant think of any reason that would be good enough to ban bhurkha. all it is is a long loose dress, are they going to ban everyone from wearing dresses aswell? or start complaining that our clothes arent short/ tight/ revealing enough?
Khadijah   |2009-07-04 05:49:55
What your enemy wants of you is indeed precious and costly. It is no simple matter for you. They want to ruin your deen , your moral charcter, your virtue and your hayaa in which you derive pride and honor, They want you to be despicable, reprehensible, and neglected of the society, as is the condition of their womanfolk, They call for throwing off the hijaab and to nudity and exposing yourself.

They weave conspiracy after conspiracy and devise plots and take ambush positions all around us. They initiate dirty and poisonous activities such as the so called ''liberation movement'', and equality;;, and the impetus of that is for the destuction of your moral character and mine as well as the moral character of all other muslim woman. Let us confront them and stand as one like a towring mountain before this destuctive western invitations current in aid of this true deen and the preservation of Islam, morality and al haaya. Let us be strong hand cuffing with its grip, hijaab, decency and morality the face of all who would violate any of its parts or who attempts to approuch it and harm it.


With a hand of decency I defend the honor of my hijaaB.
And by my modesty I have risen above my contempories.
And by brilliant and gifted thought And critical disposition have my good manners been perfected, nothing has harmed me of my culture and good learning. Except that I am best of those wise. Nothing has prevented us from rising. EXCEPT LETTING DOWN THE HEAD COVER FROM OUR LOCKS AND THE COVERING OF OUR FACES.
Radi  - ?? ??? ??? ???? ????? ???? ???? ????   |2009-07-05 08:00:16
Everybody has the right to wear anything from a humanity point of view, and they are speaking about ban wearing something that is part of a religion or believe, if we believe that we are living in Great Britain where everybody has the right to wear anything he likes "according to their believes" they should never ban hijab or niqab, because this will definitely lead to discrimination that will consequently lead to violence and extremism
Nida   |2009-07-07 06:42:51
I am a British muslim and I wear a burqa yet i am a very active citizen - I would say more so than many other people. I do not see how an item of clothing can have so much influence. We are a free democratic country so why are you campaigning for COMMUNIST VALUES - telling people what to wear and what to beleive.
alisha  - u cantdo anything to ban itt   |2009-07-07 16:23:54
you cant ban it it only a type of clothing wats it gota do with you. u wudnt like it if we banned anythink of urs for instance lets say. BAN THE CROSS NECKLACE ITS PISSES BRITIAN MUSLIMS SEEING THAT thats what it is you dnt like us muslim women werin the niqaab.
well tuf u cnt do nuffin how manytume have we cum acros thiss . n nuffin happened n u cnt do it now either.
henna aaaaaaaaaa   |2009-07-09 11:02:50
i dont think they should ban the HIJAB..they shouldnt ban the hijab! no way hozay.
aisha  - no way   |2009-10-12 20:25:33
inshallah no 1 can stop the burkha and hijab!!!
shabana  - What The Fatwa???   |2009-10-18 10:54:40
muslims its time to turn the tables.

This issue is about attacking Muslim way of life and the values we stand for. SO the muslims need to discuss OKAY then what about the values of secular spociety? freedom? liberalims...all alow freedom of individual to what he/she wants...so jut look at the adultery rates, teen pregnacy rates, rising number of CHILDEREN adicted to coccain, freedoms in economics where no regulation, free fall economy...led to economic crisis...!!
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